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 Post subject: Hello from France!
PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 7:42 pm 
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Hello!
My name is Michel, I live in France and will have soon a lituanian 1977 21011...
First part will be new brakes and clutch system, just to make it drivable.

Some times ago I had the project to swap the engine for a Ritmo TC, but I think it is better to stay with the original engine.
I saw that there are many affordable performance spares! I wonder how many HP could the 21011 reach! :roll:


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Welcome in our forum. I hope, we can help you to make better your car.

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 Post subject: Re: Hello from France!
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Hey man welcome here!

In my opinion you can go down on two roads:

1.: If you are going to compete in a series where you have regulations to use the factory engine, there are ways to tune that up. If you have the budget you can get serious power from the original engines! Not to many things sound as beautiful as a well made lada engine on twin webers and they give back the true feeling of a rally lada. The cons are, that the engines will have much less operation hours, as above a certain level of tuning it will be performing on a very high level, so things can go wrong.

2.: Go with any other engine, and fit it :) I prefer this over tuning the factory engine, if you are on a tight budget. You can get much more power from other engines in a factory state, they are much less expensive and last much longer, as they are not tuned. Although many people say, that if you dont use the original engine, than its not a lada any more. As you can tell, I dont belive in such nonsens :P

If you want to use the car on the road, and only want a little more grunt, then stick to the factory engine, tune up a bit (to a safe level), and you will have great fun ;) Dont forget about the other parts of the car, because if you have a powerfull engine, you need better brakes and suspension as well!


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 Post subject: Re: Hello from France!
PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 8:29 pm 
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In fact i have found a Ritmo 125TC engine, but the seller asks 150.000Ft, and it needs a full rebuild... :(
I think I will build a -1,5mm head, with 296 camshaft. 60mm exhaust and special header (I don't know if WOLFMOTOR is a serious seller...). Can I make a little bit hotter and remain safe?

LSD, and maybe a Niva 5-speed gearbox...


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 Post subject: Re: Hello from France!
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You shold forget Wolmotor, they are unreliable.

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 Post subject: Re: Hello from France!
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Wow thats quite a big price for that engine. Fiat engines (2 liter dohc) go from around 30.000 Ft. For this price of course you would want to look inside it to find out if everything is where it should be ;) I sold my abarth engine, fully rebuilt for around 120.000 Ft (can't remember exactly for how much).

You can go further than just a 296° cam, I used a 316° with original conrods but special pistons (to get the optimal compression ratio) with a little cylinder head work, and double 40 dellortos. It was a bullet proof engine, and a few guys from the forum run similar setups, in streetcars as well. But every engine is as good as the man who builds it! And I am not an expert on building engines, so don't listen to me :)


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 Post subject: Re: Hello from France!
PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:12 am 
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You shold forget Wolmotor, they are unreliable.
I saw this on your forum... No problem for the engine, Havassy seems to be the best. But where can i buy special exhaust parts, Dellortos pipes or body kits then?

My only problem with the cam is that I only have the original carburettor for now... and I think a hot cam will need twin carbs!


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 Post subject: Re: Hello from France!
PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:52 am 
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Engine tuning:
http://szuromituning.hu/
http://www.havassy-motorsport.hu/

LSD & Racing Gearbox:
https://www.facebook.com/koszibalintcom

Suspension poliurethan silents, adjustment bolts, racing flywheels, wheel spacers/wideners etc:
Bodnár István: http://zsiguli.hu/forum/viewtopic.php?p=225130#p225130

Exhaust:
(d=50, and d=60mm exhaust systems.)

http://www.torokestorok.hu/kapcsolat
or:
http://janodob.hu/sportrendszerek/#

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 Post subject: Re: Hello from France!
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... or ProEXhaust

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 Post subject: Re: Hello from France!
PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 12:33 am 
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Köszönjük! :oops:


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 Post subject: Re: Hello from France!
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Hi,
I also can help you if you are interested in russian LSD type 'quaife' or any other russian spareparts.


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 Post subject: Re: Hello from France!
PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 2:25 pm 
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No answers fom http://www.torokestorok.hu/kapcsolat and http://janodob.hu/sportrendszerek/# for my exhaust... Maybe no one understands english? :(

Tank you Priki, how much are these LSDs?


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 Post subject: Re: Hello from France!
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LSDs are nowadays 95000 HUF.


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I think, USD or EUR price is better for drcooper :)

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 Post subject: Re: Hello from France!
PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 8:16 pm 
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330 euro! thank you google! :)


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 Post subject: Re: Hello from France!
PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 1:01 pm 
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BTW in France there are a lot of samara cabriolet, could you obtain second-hand spareparts by chance? :)
http://images.forum-auto.com/mesimages/ ... 6to5nc.jpg
http://images.forum-auto.com/mesimages/ ... 0_2477.JPG


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 Post subject: Re: Hello from France!
PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 9:25 pm 
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Not a lot, but what are you looking for?


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 Post subject: Re: Hello from France!
PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 12:22 am 
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So my new love have joined my crew today... The engine runs well, but I need a windshield, shocks, rear sway bar, complete exhaust... But the radio works!! Will order all hydraulic parts for brakes and clutch for now.

http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s63 ... 112023.jpg

http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s63 ... 140641.jpg

http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s63 ... 140952.jpg

http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s63 ... 153336.jpg

http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s63 ... 153353.jpg

http://s1309.beta.photobucket.com/user/ ... 3.mp4.html


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 Post subject: Re: Hello from France!
PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 11:39 am 
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Congrats, I wish you good luck to the rebuilding! :)
Regarding the samara parts I am looking for complete convertible top mechanism + windshield/window seals.


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 Post subject: Re: Hello from France!
PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 2:01 pm 
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The seals for the Natacha are different from the Samara ones??


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 Post subject: Re: Hello from France!
PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 2:03 pm 
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http://www.leboncoin.fr/equipement_auto ... tm?ca=19_s

You need the mechanism and textile?


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 Post subject: Re: Hello from France!
PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 2:07 pm 
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This one is sold complete...
http://www.leboncoin.fr/voitures/353592015.htm?ca=19_s
11500 UAH


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It would be for me, not for Priki, he helps me in translations only.
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The seals for the Natacha are different from the Samara ones??
Yes, the seals that are moving together with the roof, and the seals at the side windows are different than the original Samara ones.
Quote:
http://www.leboncoin.fr/equipement_auto ... tm?ca=19_s
You need the mechanism and textile?
I need only the mechanism and the window seals on it.
Quote:
This one is sold complete...
http://www.leboncoin.fr/voitures/353592015.htm?ca=19_s
11500 UAH

Yes, I read this one,too, and I even tried to call the owner of the claret red car - and other owners, too - but they didn't speak English, and I don't speak French.

I need only the roof because sending it in a box to Hungary is cheaper than taking a whole car here ...


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 Post subject: Re: Hello from France!
PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:30 pm 
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I called the red car owner today, he sells the whole car for 6000UAH...


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 Post subject: Re: Hello from France!
PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 12:55 pm 
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I saw this ad on the site... Can someone please translate it?

"Eladó 1 dobos 50-es rendszer kitűnő állapotú, ha jól tudom (Török) féle!
ár:16.000
postázni tudom ha kell +1770Ft "

And would this fit my 21011?


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 Post subject: Re: Hello from France!
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Török branded exhaust system with 1 silencer, 50 mm diameter, in excellent condition. 16000 HUF
Domestic shipping fee 1770 HUF.

Yes, it fits your 21011.

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 Post subject: Re: Hello from France!
PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 1:27 pm 
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Thank you... I will email the seller, hope he understands english!


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 Post subject: Re: Hello from France!
PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 2:09 pm 
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Are these better as Dellortos?

http://racing-bazar.hu/alkatresz/motor/ ... sor_ladara


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 Post subject: Re: Hello from France!
PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 3:23 pm 
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My friend built up carburetors like these to his car, ask him, he definitely happy to answer, and he speaks English (much better than I do :) )
He made the intake manifold, etc.
Here his e-mail address: ferenczy.mt@gmail.com


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 Post subject: Re: Hello from France!
PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 11:06 pm 
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Thank you Faterati!!


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 Post subject: Re: Hello from France!
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It seems like only a few persons speak english, as I don't have received any answers to my different mails. :( :( :( Pavel, would you accept to ask the seller of the exhaust the shipping for me please? :oops: I have a paypal account if needed...


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 Post subject: Re: Hello from France!
PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 11:02 pm 
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Help!
I need:

the 4 arms of the front axle,
http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s63 ... 7024_n.jpg

the oil pressure hose.
http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s63 ... 3890_n.jpg

Shocks and springs are welcome, niva ones if they fit...

Used parts in good shape are good for me...


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 Post subject: Re: Hello from France!
PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 11:16 am 
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Hi mate, this is not oil pressure, but water temperature sensor.
yes, the niva springs fit in front and in rear side as well, just maybe you need to cut them. but be carefull, do not cut too much for once. especially in front.


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 Post subject: Re: Hello from France!
PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 12:47 pm 
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No, this is really oil pressure!! :shock:
the hose just comes from the engine to the pressure meter! and it seems quite old...


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23: Coolant temperature gauge sender:
Image

10: Oil presure warning light sender:
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 6:48 pm 
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Ok guys... So what is this??? :lol:
http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s63 ... 135621.jpg
http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s63 ... 5277_n.jpg


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 Post subject: Re: Hello from France!
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1. Oil pressure gauge.(Russian MTZ)
2.Oil pressure gauge sender.(original VAZ)


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http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s63 ... 135621.jpg

it is MTZ tractor controll instrument:)


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 Post subject: Re: Hello from France!
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so what the original instrument look like???


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The original control instrument VAZ 2103/2106:
Image

...and the VAZ 2107:
Image

...and the pressure warning light sensor: (1)
Image

...and the pressure sensor: (2)
Image



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 Post subject: Re: Hello from France!
PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 8:42 pm 
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Ok, it can be found on the Niva! A friend of mine will sell me a Niva for spares... 1.6L, 5 speed gearbox!! :D But I think I will have to replace the differential with the Niva one too? I believe that I have read somewhere that both the head and block have to be shaved to make the engine a little bit hotter?


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 Post subject: Re: Hello from France!
PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 12:19 am 
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Something I've read there:
http://www.4wdonline.com/Enews/9508.pap_isov.html

"I simply pulled the head off a scrapped 1200 cm (2101 or 2107), cam and all, and put it on my 2121's block, *same* bolt patterns, this simple trick raises compression from 8.5 to 11.5. Idles *fine* at some 250rpm, starts easy, using standard unleaded 95 octane gasoline for about a year, good power but no dyno data."

Is that right??? And what about my 21011 head then?


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 10:53 pm 
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Slowly beginning to discover some oddities...
Can you guess what are these??

1: A small box on the coil:
http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s63 ... 3754_n.jpg

2: Under the dashboard:
http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s63 ... 4141_n.jpg

3:Not found un the manual:
http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s63 ... 184835.jpg
http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s63 ... 184821.jpg

4: And a strange plug on the left of the clutch pedal...
http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s63 ... 0663_n.jpg


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 11:19 pm 
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Quote:
4: And a strange plug on the left of the clutch pedal...
http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s63 ... 0663_n.jpg
This is the socket of the portable light bulb.


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 Post subject: Re: Hello from France!
PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 11:27 pm 
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Thanks! Unfortunately I don't have any original tools in my car...


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 11:41 pm 
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did you know this site??
http://ladaselecta.com/flash/LADAselecta.com.swf

amazing!

What I hope to have...
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Quote:
Slowly beginning to discover some oddities...
Can you guess what are these??

1: A small box on the coil:
http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s63 ... 3754_n.jpg

2: Under the dashboard:
http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s63 ... 4141_n.jpg

3:Not found un the manual:
http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s63 ... 184835.jpg
http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s63 ... 184821.jpg

So, these are some unofficial upgrades for Lada cars :-)

In the third picture is an unofficial voltage regulator, maybe electronics replacement of the original mechanics.

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 Post subject: Re: Hello from France!
PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 10:24 pm 
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Any answers about swapping 2121 and 21011 heads??


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Shortly, this is bullshit... :mrgreen:


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 8:16 am 
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OK!!! :lol: :lol:


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